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Right..im offski for my hols now..very much enjoyed our lively debate.
Everyone take care on the roads , hope to meet up with you all
when I get back.
Keep it lit !
Richy
“he passed me that fast he was suckin rabbits out the hedges”
“Because it isn’t across the board!!!!!! A rule for us but not for no one else!!!!!”
Sooo if it was applied to car drivers too it would be ok….even though our rights as bikers would remain unchanged..
“he passed me that fast he was suckin rabbits out the hedges”
1) CBT’s being changed to only lasting 2 years, followed by a a 1 year ban if you haven’t taken a full etst by the end of the CBT. Thus depriving new riders of additional riding experience.
2) Restrictions to engine size dependant on age NOT ability. A restriction that ONLY applies to bikes and not to any other form of transport.
3) Exhaust note. How on earth does the sound from an exhaust affect safety? Also why does this affect your insurance and license?
4) Numerous restrictions upon vehicle customisation, including but not limited to, Q plates, offensive paintjobs (???), exhaust emissions, size/design/layout of registration plates, etc etc
5) Tinted visors, anyone who’s ever ridden into or out of the sun knows how useful visor tints are.
Maybe you’re right about the CBT..never took one so i dont know but surely the CBT is a passport to gaining a full licence..same as a provisional licence is/was. If you havent got a full licence by then then why havent you ? Its a mechanism to force people to take their test i guess…and as taking their test is a level of comptencey (your words) then isnt that a good thing ?
I for one wouldnt want my 17 year old son riding a large capacity motorcycle. I had a ped when i was 16 and fell off it more times than I care to remember..if id been on a CB900 id be dead. How much road craft would a youngster have ? I presume that why its done on age . Anyway..isnt that age-ist ? not anti bike ?
So you dont ride with a tinted visor and you havent got a noisy can and you havent got a small number plate ? If you do do these things then the law isnt really having any affect then is it ?
Just get on with it and stop with all the conspiracy theories.
“he passed me that fast he was suckin rabbits out the hedges”
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Originally posted by gixerchicquote:
I think its right that kids dont ride full power bikes straight away. If anything this should be applied to cars too. I dont see this has being anti biker legislation…just sensible.The fact that new drivers are excempt from this kind of law is seen as anti-biker in itself. I think its sensible and should be across the board too….
and your points about other legislation I pointed out is you asked about what could affect enjoyment for bikers, you didnt say only bikers…
And cans…..well its common knowledge they have been pushing for it for years, they aint gonna give up easily are they?
LOVE IS GIVING SOMEONE THE ABILITY TO DESTROY YOU, THEN TRUSTING THEM NOT TO.Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, But rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, VODKA in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming…….WOO HOO, WHAT A RIDE!!
Well I said specifically ‘In a biking context’ because this whole thread was about how hard done to us bikers are ..so if it can hardly count as being targetted at bikers if everyone falls victim to it can it ? it may be wrong and it may be the nanny state..but its not anti biking.
As for 17 restictions..well you agreed it should be across the board then that appears to suggest its correct for bikers . So if its correct can it be ‘anti’ ??
“he passed me that fast he was suckin rabbits out the hedges”
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Originally posted by zx10In a way off topic Rich,but do you have to mention that you,ve attended a course when you renew insurance?
FASTER PUSSYCAT,FASTER
GOT ME SOME MORE CUBES
I dont know mate..but i very much doubt it. For insurance purposes you have to state how many convictions you have had in the past 5 years. They stay on your licence for 4 years but only count for a totting up ban for 3 years.
“he passed me that fast he was suckin rabbits out the hedges”
Well without even thinking one springs to mind straight away, one they are trying to push now! Bringing the noise levels of cans down to hairdryer level! I ENJOY hearing my bike and WANT others to hear it as well, lets face it, they rarely see, if they dont hear you what chance have you got???
Helmets – personally I would always wear a helmet, but not everyone feels the same way, it takes away choice.
License restrictions – do new, young 17 year old cagers have these restrictions….NO.
Some speed limits – lets face it, some of them are ridiculously low, even Bumstorm himself has admitted that, and that affects all motorised road users.
But worst of all and also affects all road users, is the government slowly but surely are taking away our rights to judge for ourselves, decision making, and yes there will always be wrong decisions, but at the moment all that is happening is people are losing respect for the law, the government. They are still making what decisions they are allowed to, and some they are not, even you it seems.Well lets go though that list..
1. Super quiet exhausts…where did you hear that from ? Top Gear ?? Is there a bill being passed in parliament yet ? Nope..another scare story perpetuated by MCN to shift newspapers..like friggin compulsory airbags and crash bars a few years ago. Its as predictable as them getting ‘secret’ inside spy pictures of the lastest Triumph coming out that they manage to obtain every year for nth time in the last god knows how many years. Dont be a puppet of mass media.
2. Helmets…. only a fool would not wear a helmet. besides its law for car drivers to wear seat belts..so its halrdy picking on bikers is it ?
3. I think its right that kids dont ride full power bikes straight away. If anything this should be applied to cars too. I dont see this has being anti biker legislation…just sensible.
4. Speed restrictions..Well as you said that applies to all vehicles not just bikes so i dont see that as anti biking either.
For the record I hate all this nanny state stuff. Its my life and I’ll do what a damn well feel like doing but all this ..”oh its always us that gets picked on its not fair stuff doesnt wash with me”.
If they dont like it …f*** em, do it anyway.
And for the umpteenth time..I’ll state it ..if i get stopped again and the old bill say says here’s your choice..have another 3 points and have a ban or go on a course which might teach you something and allow you to carry on riding i’ll take the course, I wont be thinking about how i am being stripped of my personal freedom . ..I will be thinking i can still carry on riding my bike.
and that to me has got to be good
“he passed me that fast he was suckin rabbits out the hedges”
But you speed and you havent got any points … So arnt you getting away with it just as much as the car driver using his phone ?
“he passed me that fast he was suckin rabbits out the hedges”
Well exactly Gix !!!
It dont matter what you think, its the copper who decides whether you have been naughty or not.
Sooooo getting back to the original point… dont you agree its a good idea to give you the option to attend this course than automatically have 3 points on your licence ? They havent said they are going to change the law..they have just said they want to try and educate people.
That cant be a bad thing can it ?
Or am I going mad ?
“he passed me that fast he was suckin rabbits out the hedges”
“Richy, it is not about gaining acceptance from the police, it is about maintaining our personal freedoms in an area that becomes more and more endangered by unjust legislation everyday”.
In a biking context ?..give me 5 examples then. How has legislation restricted your enjoyment ? Speed cameras dont count..they are just enforcing a legislation that was already there.
“he passed me that fast he was suckin rabbits out the hedges”
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Originally posted by gixerchicYou dont need to be breaking the speed limit to lean the bike, so being done for speeding aint an issue in all cases.
As for not being in control, that is not an issue either, unless you have a slider in your hand and its on the road, if you lean the bike over far enough to get kneedown, but you tuck knee in, are you in less control?
LOVE IS GIVING SOMEONE THE ABILITY TO DESTROY YOU, THEN TRUSTING THEM NOT TO.You are missing my point..The point I was trying to make is that it doesnt matter if there is a specific law about getting your knee down . If a copper doesnt like the way you are riding he will find you something to nick you for..thise other things were just examples.
Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, But rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, VODKA in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming…….WOO HOO, WHAT A RIDE!!
“he passed me that fast he was suckin rabbits out the hedges”
“Knee-down is not ‘just for show’ it is a genuine riding style that endangers no-one IF the rider is competent and surely that’s what having a full license is supposed to reflect?”
Ok..lets ask the forum…
Lets assume the term kneedown means knee is contact with groud via a slider.
1. Do you agree that getting your kneedown is a genuine riding style for the road.
2. If own a bike (or did own a bike) that was capable to do it..would/do you regularly get you kneedown when you go for a ride.
3. If the answer to 2 is no then why ?
4. On a ride..how many times have you encountered someone riding with their kneedown.
5. Of the times you encountered them what percentage of these people were these people were speeding ?
6. Does owning a full bike licence mean you are competent to get your knee down.
7. Do you feel there is a certain maschismo/bravado associated with getting your kneedown ?
8. Are riders at …more/less/the same risk of coming off if they ride with their kneedown on public roads.
9. Do you think it is safer to do such things on closed roads such as a race track ?“he passed me that fast he was suckin rabbits out the hedges”
So we all agree the roads are shit (and they are not going to change)..then it makes sense not to ride ‘close to the limit’ on them doesnt it ?
What is a moot point is trying to define what kneedown is (although it seems self-explanatory to me) because more than likely the police will be able to do you for speeding or reckless driving or not being in control of your vehicle, whatever they feel like..it is up the policeman who stops you..and that my friend..you can do f*** all about. And i will say again..if he’s prepared to make you attend a course than give you 3 points then I for one say fantastic.
I can only go by whats happened to me…But I have never been hassled by the police when i didnt deserve it… I have been stopped for wearing a black visor and because I had a clear one with me and the police used their ‘discretion’ they did nothing. And if you do get one who is intent on making your life a misery and wont use his ‘discretion’ then thats a shame but you’ll have to put up with it….tough but thats the way it is.
All this..”the police are picking on me it isnt fair” makes me laugh.. biking is all about taking risks..having a good time ..feeling free..being rebellious …not about gaining acceptance from the police..or running off crying when they are nasty to us. I have never been nicked when I didnt deserve it and I have been let off sometimes when I shouldnt have been.
“he passed me that fast he was suckin rabbits out the hedges”
I have no problem with people doing what they like on their bikes wheelies , stoppies, burn outs, kneedown whatever. As long as they dont hurt anyone else and are willing to accept the consequences.
Let me ask you this question..do you get your knee down when the roads are wet ? The answer I presume is no..because you know that the limit is nowhere near to the point where your knee touches the ground.
By your own admission you are riding ‘close to the limit’ when you get your knee down. But the coppers dont like people riding close to the limit and from their point of view and probably as a result of what they have witnessed i dont blame them. So if they are willing to make you attend a course rather than nick you (if they can prove it) then isnt that a good thing ?
You base the decision that you are ‘close to the limit’ on the road ahead being of a certain grippiness no obstructions etc. then what happens if your assumption about the road is wrong and some gravel has washed in to the road after the recent heavy rain (yes this is from personal experience a couple of weeks ago) then you have no margin for error and you may ..or may not crash. That decision is yours..but by the same token you can understand why the coppers would rather deter you than have to waste time clearing up the mess afterwards.
Each to their own.
“he passed me that fast he was suckin rabbits out the hedges”
Unfortunately im on holiday and wont get back until the 21st.
“he passed me that fast he was suckin rabbits out the hedges”
Sorry, i dont see it as anti biker to be honest. Lets face it…biking is a dangerous pasttime. Everyone knows it, if you get your knee down on the road you are making it more dangerous. That danger is acceptable to the person riding but unacceptable to the police. Surely all they are trying to do is educate the biker as to the risks involved. Speaking for myself I have never felt it wise to get my knee down on public roads, what with diesel spills, cow shit, gravel etc Its just too risky. Knee down, unless you are a racer is just for show, Mike Hailwood never got his knee down, Dave Jefferies was once quoted as saying he never got his down when out riding on the roads (unless in a road race) and Ian Lougher , multi TT winner has never done it either even when racing. A mate of mine is brilliant at it but cant understand why loads of people ride round the outside of him on a track day.
Maybe im missing the point here but if, on one of the three occasions I have been nicked for speeding, id been offered the choice to attend a speed awareness course or had another 3 points on my licence id have jumped at the chance. I was speeding , I was in the wrong and they did me…fair cop, I cant complain.
Basically we are all big boys and girls…if you want to do stuff then thats fair enough..each to their own. If the coppers are willing to let you off three points and try and give you some education at the same time then surely thats a bonus ??
I agree with Gix though..its difficult to get a conviction for kneedown..but looking at the quote it looks as though that was just thrown in with a load of other offences, maybe it shouldnt be scrutinised too heavily.
“he passed me that fast he was suckin rabbits out the hedges”
