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I am not good enough to be able to push the bikes or tyres hard off road, but you felt an experienced off road rider could of romped around on the Gas Gas irrespective of the tyres fitted!
More updates from Stu:
I tried an 1200 Explorer as my very first loan bike when I had the Tiger…definitely a step up from the Tiger but I didn’t really feel like a that significant step up from it. It also niggled me that there seemed to be loads of disconnected panels around the front that seemed to be a bit of an after thought. It was a also a bit Benny Hill….top heavy lovely.
So, whilst the TEx like the Tiger has had a significant facelift, I suspect that the amount of change would be similar to the XRt (not sufficient). I’d also have to factor in the eye watering Triumph servicing costs (which are frequent at 12k a year).
Having said all that, its nice to buy British#Gordy
My curiosity get the better of me…I know I don’t need 160bhp or fully electronic suspension, but they’ve got a 0.9% APR deal going and it’d be rude to refuse the opportunity…so when a truncated meeting at work presented an opportunity, I took it with both hands and tried the full fat KTM 1290
Ok…the blatantly obvious thing….man it’s fast….like XR fast, so I was very careful to keep the front end down (£500 xs for damage!)….the seat is hard (I’m getting old I know!) and it dives under braking (not as bad as the F850GS though). TFT screen is great, rides nice, awesome brakes…did I mention is was ballistic fast ? Just need to get used to revving it more than the GS to keep it in the sweet spot for more Warp speed acceleration. Flies in the ointment are the lack of kit (no heated grips on £15k Adv bike…WTF!!) and the £10k depreciation over three years (worse than the BMW!!). In my heart of hearts I know that the 1090 would more than exceed my requirements….its just that I “know” for 19MY an updated TFT screen is imminent for the 1090 to get rid of the clunky thing that’s currently fitted…which would make it perfecto (relatively speaking)
Saw this on the MCN #ride5000miles facebook group, another unhappy ex GS owner complaining about corrosion and warranty issues
https://screenshots.firefox.com/DH9kDvgkZylQg4PZ/www.facebook.comI passed this onto Stu, cheers
and rumbles on
I wonder why the Triumph 1200 isn’t in the frame?
https://bikemeet.net/forums/topic/newer-better-triumph-1215cc-explorer-may-2017/
Stop being a dick and go and buy the S1000XR that you wanted in the first place. F_ck the residuals. When your time comes in a few dozen years and you are lying there on your death bed, the last thing that you are going to care about is how clever you were with resale values.
Plus the S1000XR will allow you to leave 10 mins late and get there 10 mins early, and enjoy every mile.
Finger out now. The shop is that way >>>
Stu’s feedback when I mentioned your advice…
Feedback from when the post was shared on FB
Stu’s Feedback:
Matt/Steve D – tried the XR before the GS, loved it… but was advised that anything over 3k pa would kill its residual….I’m doing 12k currently….however, can’t see an XR’s depreciation being any worse than the freefall one of the GS. Would still have to deal with the same dealer network too and the base products robustness (I can already hear the comments when I start getting warranty issues “Sir, you do realise that the XR is really a sports bike with higher bars…it’s not designed to daily commuter through the winter…you should have bought something more suited….like a GS)
Dave H – similar comment to above + more expensive service bills
Steve P – I though you gave me a very rounded and unbiased opinion of the Tracer…it is very much the sensible option and high on the list….its where the “head” option is.I’ve had my KTM1090 for 10 months now, done 8,000 miles with solely leisure use, including two long weekends in Scotland, and a 9 day trip to the Dolomites a few weeks ago. No problems to report, other than I’ve changed the handlebars as I found the original ones had too much sweep and gave me a pain between the shoulders after a couple of hours. Did have to be recovered home one evening after filling up with dodgy fuel at Warwick services on the M40. Cleaned the filters out and all OK again.
There were some good deals on the 1090 recently at less than £10k for new unregistered bikes.I use a chain oiler, but If I was commuting year round I’d be looking at shaft drive as a preference, but that pretty much takes you back to the GS.
I do know a few people that have had warranty issues with GS’s, corrosion on engine casings seems very common, but BMW are generally pretty good about warranty.
Maybe try getting a PCP quote for 2 years at 15,000 miles a year, at least you know what the cost will be and not have any nasty surprises about trade in later.Thanks, great feedback…I will pass that on
Stu’s Feedback:
r6ymy – It’s good to know that you’ve had zero problems with his KTM…the last demo one I rode (3 years ago) had loose LH bar grip…didn’t fill me with confidence. The upside is that the new local dealer is very close to my current office if there is a need to drop it off for warranty work. Just depends on how accommodating they are being!
I ran a Scottoiler on the Tiger previously, so it’s on the cards again if I end up with a chain driven bike. Obviously, shaft driven is idea for commuting but they all seem to have the potential for some expensive catastrophic failure (ask me how I know!)
BMW’s reputation for robustness is fading quicker than there resistance to corrosion currently….I have yet to see any sign of their exceptional warranty/customer service…especially now as I am getting close to paying off my PCP bubble
In regards to the final settlement I was assuming that it was deliberately low set (using a 14k pa mileage) to ensure that I had a big enough carrot to roll it over onto a new one at the end….the bubble seems to be £500 less than the market value…which means I’ve taken a very hefty hit on the bike…will see when the PCP is up in Nov’ when the rest of the biking world has gone into hibernation and they’ve got sales targets to reach….there’ll be a bargain out there I am sure…..if not, I may end up with a worthless inter-gallatic GShahaha, let me know in advance and I’ll see what my roster is up to!
Will do! Be great to have you along
looks a lot of fun, I am not sure I am allowed to drink all day in public anymore!
Sounds like you need to come next year!!!
I’ve had my KTM1090 for 10 months now, done 8,000 miles with solely leisure use, including two long weekends in Scotland, and a 9 day trip to the Dolomites a few weeks ago. No problems to report, other than I’ve changed the handlebars as I found the original ones had too much sweep and gave me a pain between the shoulders after a couple of hours. Did have to be recovered home one evening after filling up with dodgy fuel at Warwick services on the M40. Cleaned the filters out and all OK again.
There were some good deals on the 1090 recently at less than £10k for new unregistered bikes.I use a chain oiler, but If I was commuting year round I’d be looking at shaft drive as a preference, but that pretty much takes you back to the GS.
I do know a few people that have had warranty issues with GS’s, corrosion on engine casings seems very common, but BMW are generally pretty good about warranty.
Maybe try getting a PCP quote for 2 years at 15,000 miles a year, at least you know what the cost will be and not have any nasty surprises about trade in later.Thanks, great feedback…I will pass that on
